Shutdown!

[Cyborg Girl]

Still no deal. This is insane.

I wonder how many of the Republicans even remember what they started this for in the first place.

Edit: LOL comprehension fail. Typical of my generation and every last person in it, if you would believe some people... But I blame the hour.

[Sigma_Orionis]

The US Senate apparently reached a deal how to kick the can down the road.

Your turn to claim Randy's money Fisher

[Sigma_Orionis]

So far looks like the Nut-jobs have given up..... FOR NOW

Boehner urges House GOP to support Senate deal

However, Cruz told reporters that he wouldn't mount a filibuster or employ other procedural moves against the agreement. At the same time, he criticized his Senate colleagues for what he called their failure to listen to the American people and said the fight against Obamacare will continue.

[SciFiFisher]

The US Senate apparently reached a deal how to kick the can down the road.

Your turn to claim Randy's money Fisher

Why yes. I do believe you and I predicted they would reach an accord at the last minute. Of course, at this time the house has not actually passed it. So, there is still a chance that the Mad Hatter Tea Party will continue to cause chaos. I still expect that there will be a deal but the House still has a couple of hours to posture and put on airs about how their "principles" are stake here.

[Sigma_Orionis]

Since they managed to get Ted Cruz out of the way, I'd say they have a better than average chance of getting the bill past the House.

[FZR1KG]

So far looks like the Nut-jobs have given up..... FOR NOW

Boehner urges House GOP to support Senate deal

However, Cruz told reporters that he wouldn't mount a filibuster or employ other procedural moves against the agreement. At the same time, he criticized his Senate colleagues for what he called their failure to listen to the American people and said the fight against Obamacare will continue.

Last I checked the people knew Obama was going to do the health care reforms before the election and they voted for him.
Or don't those voters count?

[SciFiFisher]

And the House has voted. The Can is kicked to January 2014.

Obama got pretty much all he asked for. A significant win for the HNIC if I must say so. The only problem is that we really didn't resolve the elephant in the room. And that beautiful purple pink polka dotted creature is the fact that we still have a fractured Congress that can't agree on a budget.

[brite]

Last I checked the people knew Obama was going to do the health care reforms before the election and they voted for him.
Or don't those voters count?

Not according to the 54 members of the Tea Party caucus in the House and Senate....

[code monkey]

Last I checked the people knew Obama was going to do the health care reforms before the election and they voted for him.
Or don't those voters count?

of course not. the only thing that counts is what the tea partiers want. it's so simple.

[Sigma_Orionis]

And the House has voted. The Can is kicked to January 2014.

Obama got pretty much all he asked for. A significant win for the HNIC if I must say so. The only problem is that we really didn't resolve the elephant in the room. And that beautiful purple pink polka dotted creature is the fact that we still have a fractured Congress that can't agree on a budget.

All too true, now assuming that your "middling people" remembers this mess when going to the voting booth in 2014...........

[Rommie]

And the House has voted. The Can is kicked to January 2014.

Obama got pretty much all he asked for. A significant win for the HNIC if I must say so. The only problem is that we really didn't resolve the elephant in the room. And that beautiful purple pink polka dotted creature is the fact that we still have a fractured Congress that can't agree on a budget.

All too true, now assuming that your "middling people" remembers this mess when going to the voting booth in 2014...........

I frankly think the main reason it happened now is they're banking on the fact that people will have short memories come next year. I think there's a good chance we won't see this mess again next January for the same reason- that's getting into primary season and such.

[SciFi Chick]

I frankly think the main reason it happened now is they're banking on the fact that people will have short memories come next year. I think there's a good chance we won't see this mess again next January for the same reason- that's getting into primary season and such.

I had no idea you were such an idealist Rommie.

[Rommie]

I frankly think the main reason it happened now is they're banking on the fact that people will have short memories come next year. I think there's a good chance we won't see this mess again next January for the same reason- that's getting into primary season and such.

I had no idea you were such an idealist Rommie.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."

Well until they go off and drag you to a concentration camp. Then they really kind of suck. But until then, I like to be pleasantly surprised sometimes.

[FZR1KG]

I frankly think the main reason it happened now is they're banking on the fact that people will have short memories come next year. I think there's a good chance we won't see this mess again next January for the same reason- that's getting into primary season and such.

I had no idea you were such an idealist Rommie.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."

Well until they go off and drag you to a concentration camp. Then they really kind of suck. But until then, I like to be pleasantly surprised sometimes.

Of course there is that underlying motive of wanting to screw you, figuratively or literally.

[grapes]

When you say "literally" do you mean it literally or figuratively?

As to whether an issue was or wasn't voted in, that's not part of the process. The US votes on persons, and those persons vote on issues. Is the process broken? That system has got us where we are today, some people would say we're better off than we could have been. Which part of the system do we want to give up? Everybody has a favorite piece of the US constitution that they find inconvenient.

[Sigma_Orionis]

Oh my! the BBC had the gall to lecture the US Republican Party

[FZR1KG]

When you say "literally" do you mean it literally or figuratively?

Literally, especially if you are a woman, ask Monica.
Then again with some of them it makes no difference what sex you are.

[Sigma_Orionis]

The Cry of the True Republican

After the man's statement, I really have no comments to make.

[Sigma_Orionis]

Well it looks like the 'Pubs are attempting to find their balls.

Moderate Republicans push back against Tea Party with campaign fund

Even more shocking: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

Of course the TP nutjobs are outraged and will not die without a fight.

Fund-Raising by G.O.P. Rebels Outpaces Party Establishment

I wonder how this is going to play out.

[FZR1KG]

Then-Representative Todd Akin had been favourite to take a Senate seat representing Missouri before commenting on TV that pregnancy rarely occurs in the case of "legitimate rape".

Senior Republican figures called on him to step down from the campaign, but he refused to do so. The resulting backlash from, in particular, female voters saw him lose a seat that many party officials believed was very winnable.

Likewise, in Indiana, Republican candidate Richard Mourdock lost the Senate battle after suggesting that rape was "something God intended to happen".

WTF is wrong with these people?

[Swift]

Even more shocking: Boehner to Bring Debt Ceiling to Vote Without Policy Attachments

I'm not shocked. From that article:

Facing a rebellion over his latest debt ceiling proposal, Speaker John A. Boehner on Tuesday told House Republicans that he would bring legislation to a vote that would raise the government’s borrowing authority with no strings attached.
“You all know that our members are not crazy about voting to increase the debt ceiling,” Mr. Boehner said, explaining that his conference was frustrated with President Obama’s refusal to negotiate over a debt ceiling increase. “And so the fact is we’ll let the Democrats put the votes up. We’ll put a minimum number of votes up to get it passed.”

More an example of when you are given lemons, have the Democrats squeeze them into lemonade.

He knows that the House Republicans are so splintered that he can't get them to pass anything at all on their own. The Tea Partiers are not going to vote for any raise in the Debt Ceiling unless it included Obama being castrated, and the more moderate Pubs are sick of the Tea Party but want to do some face saving and mild anti-Obama stuff and throw some mild add-in on like this Vet benefits thing, just because Obama told them he wants a clean bill.

I think Obama has decided that he is out of elections and doesn't care, and so if he said he only will sign a clean bill, he won't sign it even if they put a rider in supporting apple pie and motherhood. And Obama would be fine with the whole thing going down in flames again and he'll blame the Pubs for setting the fire if they don't pass anything.

So Boehner counted noses and knows that he has enough Democrats and a few sane Republicans to pass a clean Debt Ceiling bill. But for the fall election, that gives the Pubs lovely deniability to his base - he'll say the Dems raised the Debt Ceiling, he wanted to stop it, and if the Pubs had controlled the Senate they could have done so.

[SciFiFisher]

That's pretty much what I heard yesterday on the enemy radio station er... I mean NPR.

Boehner and crew know they can't get anything but a clean debt ceiling bill through but they have to pretend that they tried so that come the 2014 elections the GOP candidates can say it wasn't their fault. They tried to get the democrats to act responsibly. They tried to give back the money they stole from the veterans and restore the COLA's but those dirty nasty democrats wouldn't let them.

[Sigma_Orionis]

So I presume that the strategy is something like this:

The 'Pubs are trying to keep the Nutjobs from winning the primaries by funding Moderate Pubs so they have a shot at winning the general elections, And will try to convince moderates that they tried to balance the budget but those pesky pinko-commie-tax'n-spend-Dems" did not let them?.

[Swift]

The 'Pubs are trying to keep the Nutjobs from winning the primaries by funding Moderate Pubs so they have a shot at winning the general elections,

I'm not sure.

I think the mainline 'Pubs are tired of the Nutjobs (as you so kindly put it ), though I think they also still find them useful. But I'm not sure how much control the mainliners still have. As said in the other article you linked to, the Nutjobs are doing a better job in fundraising, and for whatever reason Fox News and Carl Rove and things like that like the nutjobs. And in primaries, the Nutjobs tend to do pretty good, and are so fixated on their beliefs and rightness of their cause that they don't seem to care about general elections.

The Republicans have also done a masterfull job over the last decade or so of getting control of state governments and have gerrymanded enough districts that they could run a goldfish in some of the general elections and win.

[FZR1KG]

You guys give people too much credit when there is an ignorance surplus.