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cid wrote:I have great difficulty comprehending a 'democratic Muslim' government. What with every mullah from sunrise to sunset issuing fatwas against everything up to and including Vegemite, how in the bloody blue blazes is this bunch going to come to some form of consent other than it's all the US's fault?

Swift wrote:

cid wrote:I have great difficulty comprehending a 'democratic Muslim' government. What with every mullah from sunrise to sunset issuing fatwas against everything up to and including Vegemite, how in the bloody blue blazes is this bunch going to come to some form of consent other than it's all the US's fault?

Frankly, it is as difficult as a democratic Christian government. I consider the politics of the fundamental Christians to be pretty similar to that of the fundamental Muslims. Islam is no more fundamentally undemocratic as Christianity.

But there are moderate, democratically elected Muslim governments (Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey). I don't know if such is possible in Egypt.

SciFiFisher wrote:For the most part the Christians have gotten away from the convert or die mentality that predominated from the fall of the Roman Empire up until the end of the dark ages. There are still some pretty ugly christians but they aren't cutting off peoples hands for stealing, stoning women for adultery, or killing people because they insult the prophet Jay E Sus any more.

And the bulk of christian atrocities were committed by non-democratic christian regimes. Until the 1700-1800's the bulk of the christian atrocities were committed while the ruling party was essentially fuedalism or a monarchy.

The Moslem Brotherhood in Eygpt has taken a somewhat less extreme approach but at the end of the day they still espose a position that is in favor of Sharia Law. In essence they want a return of the merciful beheadings and the days when it was ok to level a special tax on Christians and Jews.

SciFiFisher wrote:For the most part the Christians have gotten away from the convert or die mentality that predominated from the fall of the Roman Empire up until the end of the dark ages. There are still some pretty ugly christians but they aren't cutting off peoples hands for stealing, stoning women for adultery, or killing people because they insult the prophet Jay E Sus any more.

The timetable for new elections, announced in a constitutional declaration by interim President Adly Mansour on Monday evening, laid out plans to set up a panel to amend the suspended constitution within 15 days.

The changes would then be put to a referendum - to be organised within four months - which would pave the way for parliamentary elections, possibly in early 2014.

Once the new parliament convenes, elections would be called to appoint a new president.

A spokesman for Mr Mansour said posts in the cabinet would be offered to the FJP, but senior party official Mohamed Kamal told the BBC: "We will never take part in any cabinet as long as Morsi is not back as a president."

The FJP's deputy chairman, Essam al-Erian, earlier said the constitutional declaration had been issued "by a man appointed by putschists". The text does make clear that Mr Mansour and his government draw their authority only from the commander of the armed forces, who deposed President Morsi.

The main liberal coalition, the National Salvation Front (NSF), expressed reservations about the decree, saying it was not consulted and that it "lacks significant clauses while others need change or removal".

The grassroots Tamarod protest movement, which organised the demonstrations that led to Mr Morsi's overthrow, said the decree gave too much power to Mr Mansour.

Rommie wrote:...I think she's friggin' nuts.