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On the same page: Singer guilty of raping babies W.T.F.

@cid: and you're surprised?

@FZ: it's HuffPo... FOX News for liberals, basically. They never publish anything that isn't sensationalist.

Gullible Jones wrote:@cid: and you're surprised?

Hey, I'm just curious, if you identify and find a radical jihadist pushing the cause and recruiting in the USA, just what do you do about it?
Naturally you want to stop it but its not as easy as it seems. Unless you have proof positive that will not only stand up in court but also not reveal your sources or intelligence infiltration, or techniques, which is basically zero chance.

So what do you do as a secret agency put in place to stop terrorist outbreaks?
The answer most seem to want is give them no power, no leverage but expect them to stop any attacks and blame them if they don't.

The best analogy I can think of is making a special crack anti-terrorist unit, arming them with water pistols and sending them in when the shit hits the fan. Then sit back and go on and on about how they are incompetent and a waste of time and money when they can't fulfill the mission. Its stupid.

This is a prime example. Many of these people present themselves as the faithful, morally above reproach.
Best way to tackle that is by a legitimate smear campaign. Note I wrote, legitimate. IOW, that its not fabricated.
Best as in least expensive, least man power, targeted at the recruitment level when it's easier to make followers snap out of that mentality.

If I was in the NSA, I'd do it.

Blargh. That's what I get for not reading the article.

The razors edge is always difficult to walk. Do we want an NSA,FBI, and counter terrorism capability that can identify and neutralize terrorists, recruiters, and influencers? The answer is obviously...yes. Should we worry that this capability might be misused. Again, yes we should worry... but not excessively.

The alternative is to create an organization so powerful that it creates a tyranny or one so weak that our enemies can operate with impunity. Neither alternative is acceptable.

So, we should do what we usually do. Create the capability we need. Put in safeguards. Monitor the processes. Punish those who corrupt the system. Hunt down and discredit, convert, or terminate our enemies. Allow vigorous debate in the public forums about what is moral, ethical, and legal. Pass laws to ensure the public intent and national interests are served. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

I actually find myself in agreement with Fisher. Particularly the part about "vigorous debate."

(Has the world ended yet, BTW?)

SciFiFisher wrote:The razors edge is always difficult to walk. Do we want an NSA,FBI, and counter terrorism capability that can identify and neutralize terrorists, recruiters, and influencers? The answer is obviously...yes. Should we worry that this capability might be misused. Again, yes we should worry... but not excessively.

The alternative is to create an organization so powerful that it creates a tyranny or one so weak that our enemies can operate with impunity. Neither alternative is acceptable.

So, we should do what we usually do. Create the capability we need. Put in safeguards. Monitor the processes. Punish those who corrupt the system. Hunt down and discredit, convert, or terminate our enemies. Allow vigorous debate in the public forums about what is moral, ethical, and legal. Pass laws to ensure the public intent and national interests are served. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

Typical US solution: ugly and messy, why can't it be clean and pretty like they show on your TV shows? Hell, CSI: Miami and JAG do it just fine.....

Sigma_Orionis wrote:

SciFiFisher wrote:The razors edge is always difficult to walk. Do we want an NSA,FBI, and counter terrorism capability that can identify and neutralize terrorists, recruiters, and influencers? The answer is obviously...yes. Should we worry that this capability might be misused. Again, yes we should worry... but not excessively.

The alternative is to create an organization so powerful that it creates a tyranny or one so weak that our enemies can operate with impunity. Neither alternative is acceptable.

So, we should do what we usually do. Create the capability we need. Put in safeguards. Monitor the processes. Punish those who corrupt the system. Hunt down and discredit, convert, or terminate our enemies. Allow vigorous debate in the public forums about what is moral, ethical, and legal. Pass laws to ensure the public intent and national interests are served. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

Typical US solution: ugly and messy, why can't it be clean and pretty like they show on your TV shows? Hell, CSI: Miami and JAG do it just fine.....

Well, I prefer NCIS. Jethro is one of my role models. And Abby with her trademark jug of CAFPOW just rocks.

Unfortunately, everyone keeps insisting on pointing out to me that A: There are always shades of gray and B: I am not emperor of the known universe. So, the ugly, messy way we do things will have to do for now.

Gullible Jones wrote:(Has the world ended yet, BTW?)

Yes. Last Tuesday, but no one noticed.

geonuc wrote:

Gullible Jones wrote:(Has the world ended yet, BTW?)

Yes. Last Tuesday, but no one noticed.

Who would notice? Reality Shows still exist.....

SciFiFisher wrote:Well, I prefer NCIS. Jethro is one of my role models. And Abby with her trademark jug of CAFPOW just rocks.

Gibbs is loads of fun, but then again, so is Vance. And my favorite character is Dr Mallard.

SciFiFisher wrote:Unfortunately, everyone keeps insisting on pointing out to me that A: There are always shades of gray and B: I am not emperor of the known universe. So, the ugly, messy way we do things will have to do for now.

Wrong Perspective

A) Shades of Gray is because "everything is relative", so ignoring them is a valid as saying they exist. simpler too, so why bother to acknowledge them?

B) If you're not the emperor of the known universe, it's all your fault, you don't want it bad enough, SO:

[Yoda Mode]
THAT is why you fail
[/Yoda Mode]

Once again, typical US solution: UGLY MESSY COMPROMISE, you ought to be more like NorseFire: "Strength Through Purity, Purity Through Faith"