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Fusion power in our lifetimes, maybe

PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:45 pm
by lady_*nix
But probably not IMO.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... itics-live

So they broke even, cool. Now how much excess energy are we talking? and how will they capture it? Let alone automate it, do it thousands of times a minute, and get the time and cost of fabricating these capsules low enough for it to make sense?

Re: Fusion power in our lifetimes, maybe

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:50 am
by Sigma_Orionis
It will take a lot of work and resources to get there. But at least, after almost 70 years they managed to reach ignition

Re: Fusion power in our lifetimes, maybe

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 3:51 pm
by Rommie
Yes, my understanding is at this point, what they did is notable but not very scalable. But hey maybe it means fusion is 15 years away now instead of 20! ;)

Re: Fusion power in our lifetimes, maybe

PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:24 pm
by Thumper
Baby steps

Re: Fusion power in our lifetimes, maybe

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 3:41 pm
by geonuc
I've been a bit of a Debbie Downer on this fusion news. Sure, it's a step forward but the somewhat arbitrary definition of the milestone prevents me from getting too excited (the energy out minus energy in equation omits some very relevant factors such as the power required to operate the lasers). Also, this laser tech is, so far, not the most promising technology. The Tokamak reactors seem to have the best chance of actually progressing to the point of a viable power plant (still decades away as well, though).

Re: Fusion power in our lifetimes, maybe

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:46 pm
by lady_*nix
@geonuc

Yeah, same. Esp. because the planet is dying, and we already have proven tech for replacing coal - every dollar that went into this debacle could have instead gone into switching our grid over to renewables.

Re: Fusion power in our lifetimes, maybe

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:31 pm
by geonuc
lady_*nix wrote:@geonuc

Yeah, same. Esp. because the planet is dying, and we already have proven tech for replacing coal - every dollar that went into this debacle could have instead gone into switching our grid over to renewables.


I wouldn't call it a debacle. I am very much in favor of funding basic science, which is where we are with fusion. Meanwhile, of course, fission is a mature technology that can readily replace coal.

Re: Fusion power in our lifetimes, maybe

PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:54 pm
by Sigma_Orionis
geonuc wrote:I've been a bit of a Debbie Downer on this fusion news. Sure, it's a step forward but the somewhat arbitrary definition of the milestone prevents me from getting too excited (the energy out minus energy in equation omits some very relevant factors such as the power required to operate the lasers). Also, this laser tech is, so far, not the most promising technology. The Tokamak reactors seem to have the best chance of actually progressing to the point of a viable power plant (still decades away as well, though).



Here's hoping ITER actually works...

Re: Fusion power in our lifetimes, maybe

PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:32 pm
by geonuc
Sigma_Orionis wrote:Here's hoping ITER actually works...


Yep, for future generations. You and I will probably not see it happen.

Re: Fusion power in our lifetimes, maybe

PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:37 pm
by Thumper
Baby steps. 8-)
Oh and flying cars.

Re: Fusion power in our lifetimes, maybe

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:08 pm
by Sigma_Orionis
geonuc wrote:
Sigma_Orionis wrote:Here's hoping ITER actually works...


Yep, for future generations. You and I will probably not see it happen.


Speak for yourself. I plan to live forever :P

Re: Fusion power in our lifetimes, maybe

PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 12:45 am
by SciFiFisher
Sigma_Orionis wrote:
geonuc wrote:
Sigma_Orionis wrote:Here's hoping ITER actually works...


Yep, for future generations. You and I will probably not see it happen.


Speak for yourself. I plan to live forever :P


That’s the spirit!