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Or as we say down here, "need is dog faced".

Climate change warriors: It's time to go nuclear

Sigma_Orionis wrote:Or as we say down here, "need is dog faced".

Climate change warriors: It's time to go nuclear

I've been saying that for 10 or 15 years. It is the only obtainable solution for climate change.

But it won't happen. Climate change is going to happen, not because of technology, but because of human nature, stupidity, and politics.

Can I have your Autograph?

Sigma_Orionis wrote:Can I have your Autograph?

Sure.

That and 50 cents will get you... absolutely nothing.

well, the 50 cents should still pay for a cup of that mudwater you gringos call coffee

I find it amusing that anyone from the environmentalist camp is espousing nuclear energy. These are the same folks who were predicting that nuclear energy would destroy us all. Now it's fossil fuels and carbon emissions.

Admittedly each energy alternative has drawbacks. If we could figure out a way to make solar work without that nasty carbon footprint we might actually have something to work with.

Go with wind power, though that makes a lot of green house gases, slows the wind and thus slows our orbit speed and obviously that means we will spiral out of control into the sun...so we can't use wind power you see.
Similar thing with tidal power. It will slow down the moon and thus the moon will crash into us in the future.
Think of your children, or you grand children because if we avoid tidal power its only earth diving into the sun that's a problem and that won't happen in your children's lifetime...now your grand children on the other hand, that's a worry.

This message was brought to you by your friendly Republican intelligent science committee and we the Republicans approve this message.

BTW Virginia, vote Cuntinelli in the election to protect personal freedoms.
We can then make oral sex between couples illegal...because that's more important to do than anything else.
The republican party, protecting the freedoms and rights of perverts to make everyone else miserable by reducing theirs.
Don't fucking complain about it, we have the guns and aren't afraid to masterba...shoot you with them.

Oh yeah, consume more and help our economy. Burn fuel as much as you can to help our industry and bring forth amen-gettin so that the holey geebus can cum again.

Can't remember what this thread was about? Haha
You've just been 'publcised.

There's even been some rumblings within the Sierra Club about how nuclear power might not be the worst thing ever to happen to civilization.

SciFiFisher wrote:I find it amusing that anyone from the environmentalist camp is espousing nuclear energy.

A pet peeve of mine: I hate terms like "the environmentalist camp" or "the environmental movement", particularly when it comes to specific policy issues. Like you can lump together Earth First! and The Nature Conservancy as holding identical political positions on just about any topic.

But, given that, there has been a broad opposition by many environmental groups against nuclear power; stupidily so, IMO. This is one of the reasons I am no longer active with Sierra Club, their illogical position on more than a few issues. The Union of Concerned Scientists is one of the exceptions to this broad opposition; they certainly have had their criticisms of nuclear power, but they have been on specific issues, and not just a broad "anti".

Is UCS pro- or anti-nuclear power?
The answer is "neither." We have been a watchdog for 40 years, working for safer nuclear plants, better regulatory oversight, and smarter policy.

Swift wrote:A pet peeve of mine: I hate terms like "the environmentalist camp" or "the environmental movement", particularly when it comes to specific policy issues. Like you can lump together Earth First! and The Nature Conservancy as holding identical political positions on just about any topic.

But, given that, there has been a broad opposition by many environmental groups against nuclear power; stupidily so, IMO. This is one of the reasons I am no longer active with Sierra Club, their illogical position on more than a few issues. The Union of Concerned Scientists is one of the exceptions to this broad opposition; they certainly have had their criticisms of nuclear power, but they have been on specific issues, and not just a broad "anti".

Is UCS pro- or anti-nuclear power?
The answer is "neither." We have been a watchdog for 40 years, working for safer nuclear plants, better regulatory oversight, and smarter policy.

Not exactly a pet-peeve, actually very valid. However, the "Environmentalist Movement" has the same problem as almost all "Movements" these days, the moderates let the nutjobs grab the spotlight, (and no, I am NOT talking about you, usually when this subject comes up, you make it clear you're do NOT agree with the nutjobs and have nothing to do with them), the press as usual gobbles it up because it makes catchy news and the rest is history.

The really irritating thing is that widespread opposition to nuclear power has stymied the construction of newer nuclear plants. Which means that we don't get updated designs; instead, we end up using incredibly outdated and obsolete plants that were built decades ago. The result of pressure to stop "dangerous" nuclear power has been to make nuclear power more dangerous by making the retirement of old, less-safe reactors impossible.

Ugh.

The Supreme Canuck wrote:The really irritating thing is that widespread opposition to nuclear power has stymied the construction of newer nuclear plants. Which means that we don't get updated designs; instead, we end up using incredibly outdated and obsolete plants that were built decades ago. The result of pressure to stop "dangerous" nuclear power has been to make nuclear power more dangerous by making the retirement of old, less-safe reactors impossible.

this.

I'll have to disagree with you on UCS, Swift. I find them rabidly anti-nuke, while cloaked in the garb of 'science'.

The Supreme Canuck wrote:The really irritating thing is that widespread opposition to nuclear power has stymied the construction of newer nuclear plants. Which means that we don't get updated designs; instead, we end up using incredibly outdated and obsolete plants that were built decades ago. The result of pressure to stop "dangerous" nuclear power has been to make nuclear power more dangerous by making the retirement of old, less-safe reactors impossible.

Ugh.

It may seem that way, but the fact is the older nukes are being retired when it becomes too expensive to repair or upgrade them. Several have shut down permanently this year and that trend will continue.

geonuc wrote:

The Supreme Canuck wrote:The really irritating thing is that widespread opposition to nuclear power has stymied the construction of newer nuclear plants. Which means that we don't get updated designs; instead, we end up using incredibly outdated and obsolete plants that were built decades ago. The result of pressure to stop "dangerous" nuclear power has been to make nuclear power more dangerous by making the retirement of old, less-safe reactors impossible.

Ugh.

It may seem that way, but the fact is the older nukes are being retired when it becomes too expensive to repair or upgrade them. Several have shut down permanently this year and that trend will continue.

Really? All I know is that we have this creaky piece of shit ticking away a few hundred miles upriver from where I'm sitting. Designed in the 40s, achieved criticality in 1957. Still running. Keeps leaking.

The Supreme Canuck wrote:Really? All I know is that we have this creaky piece of shit ticking away a few hundred miles upriver from where I'm sitting. Designed in the 40s, achieved criticality in 1957. Still running. Keeps leaking.

Yes, but that's a different animal, a research reactor. The economics of replacing that with a more modern design are totally different.

From where you are, I'd personally be more worried about Davis-Besse, but not because it's particularly ancient, but because of the utility that operates it. They need to have their keys taken away from them and some of them needed to go to jail, in my opinion.

geonuc wrote:From where you are, I'd personally be more worried about Davis-Besse, but not because it's particularly ancient, but because of the utility that operates it. They need to have their keys taken away from them and some of them needed to go to jail, in my opinion.

This.

And that's my utility.

Agh! Yeah... That's no good. Yikes.

Ironically, it's also in a place called Ottawa. Funny.

Just read up on these fellows, yup, I must agree. That nuclear reactor's monitoring system was the one the Slammer Worm attacked too.

Wow, Ohio has a town called Ottawa, I wonder if there's a town called Caracas in Indiana.....

Sigma_Orionis wrote:Wow, Ohio has a town called Ottawa, I wonder if there's a town called Caracas in Indiana.....

There's a Caracas Arepas Grill in Indianapolis (Venezuelan food, go figure).

lol, there's an "Arepera" in Indianapolis I wonder if they also sell Venezuelan Style roasted chicken too