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Van Halen

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:38 pm
by Thumper
So I'm past the point of caring that the brothers have totally p|ssed their legacy away, past the point of arguing Roth vs. Hagar. They made some great music. They were innovators in live music and big time arena shows. And they were mine from the beginning. Over the last couple of weekends while I was trying to clean up our messy house, I listened to VH II and VH III (actually called "Women and Children First"). Some fine forgotten music on those late '70's albums.

Unlike Seger, Aerosmith, Zeppelin, or even the world's greatest band, Rush :P I was a fan of VH from the beginning. I didn't stumble onto them because they'd been popular for a while then go back and check out their early catalog. I heard Running with the Devil, Eruption, and the cover of You Really Got Me, and have been there ever since. Long before, Napster, the internet, and bootleg college music networks, we heard a song on the radio, gambled whether we thought it was good enough, and scraped together the $7.99 to buy the album. Music was released in albums, an 8 to 11 song snapshot of what a band was thinking and doing and experiencing over the last year, year and a half.

I remember sitting in Mrs. T's apartment (back when she was Miss D.) in 1985, and we listened to all of the first 6 albums (the Roth years). You could tell a distinct different theme with each one. You can do the same thing with Rush. You can tell what new instruments Geddy was experimenting with, what effects and amps Alex was toying with, and what Neil was reading on each Rush release.

When Hagar joined the group I was already a huge fan of his. He took the band to super super stardom. I've been to a thousand concerts, the Diver Down and 5150 VH shows still both rank in my top 5. The common string throughout almost all of my favorite rock music is great vocals and harmonies. VH nailed that, Eddie and Michael had that tight chiming backup vocal that complemented both Roth and Hagar. We will probably never see a rock phenomenon like that again. So I can look back in their songs, their innovations, and the soundtrack of a good part of my life and be happy, nostalgic and satisfied. The present situation with Eddie and his band does not negate what they did, and what it meant to me.

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:56 pm
by geonuc
I'm with you on that, or most of it. There are a certain few bands that just did it right, and it was awesome.

But really, Led Zeppelin is the greatest band of all time. I'll let you off lightly because you said Rush (who are also awesome) is the world's greatest band, and I'll take that to be limited to active bands.

If you meant greatest of all time ... :duel:

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:23 pm
by Sigma_Orionis
I never liked Van Halen much, They did have some good songs but Roth's antics always irritated me. As far as Rock Guitar stuff goes I tend to favor Steve Morse. And the world's greatest Band was ELP, even with Keith Emerson's antics :P

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:26 pm
by Thumper
geonuc wrote:I'm with you on that, or most of it. There are a certain few bands that just did it right, and it was awesome.

But really, Led Zeppelin is the greatest band of all time. I'll let you off lightly because you said Rush (who are also awesome) is the world's greatest band, and I'll take that to be limited to active bands.

If you meant greatest of all time ... :duel:

We shall not spar over Led Zeppelin. Their influence on music is unmeasurable. I put the smilie on my Rush comment because many here know my zealous affinity to that band. I used them as an example of the compartmentalized time capsule that individual album releases could become.

Mrs. T and I are HUGE Zeppelin fans. There are bands out there that may claim they don't like Zeppelin, yet they directly or indirectly were influenced by them.

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:32 pm
by Thumper
Sigma_Orionis wrote:I never liked Van Halen much, They did have some good songs but Roth's antics always irritated me. As far as Rock Guitar stuff goes I tend to favor Steve Morse. And the world's greatest Band was ELP, even with Keith Emerson's antics :P
Back in the day Roth irritated me too. Whether or not he was just playing the part was moot. It's why I was so happy when Hagar joined the fray and VH went to super duper stardom, and Roth ended up a lounge act. Now that I can look back, and listen with a little more maturity and balance, those first 6 albums were still fantastic. And I can sing every word and air guitar every riff.

Saw ELP on Palladia last year at some giant UK music fest. They were hilarious, Carl Palmer whipping off his shirt during his solo, what is he 65. And Emerson stabbing his keyboard with a knife then kicking it over a la early Who. Brilliant! They were quite progressive an innovative for their time. Brain Salad Surgery is one of Mrs. T's favorite albums.
"Still.......You turn me on."

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:09 pm
by pumpkinpi
Thumper wrote:
geonuc wrote:I'm with you on that, or most of it. There are a certain few bands that just did it right, and it was awesome.

But really, Led Zeppelin is the greatest band of all time. I'll let you off lightly because you said Rush (who are also awesome) is the world's greatest band, and I'll take that to be limited to active bands.

If you meant greatest of all time ... :duel:

We shall not spar over Led Zeppelin. Their influence on music is unmeasurable. I put the smilie on my Rush comment because many here know my zealous affinity to that band. I used them as an example of the compartmentalized time capsule that individual album releases could become.

Mrs. T and I are HUGE Zeppelin fans. There are bands out there that may claim they don't like Zeppelin, yet they directly or indirectly were influenced by them.


You'll be happy to know that MrPi is introducing Buster and Rooster to Zeppelin. They ask him to play "the viking song."

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:55 am
by geonuc
pumpkinpi wrote:
Thumper wrote:
geonuc wrote:I'm with you on that, or most of it. There are a certain few bands that just did it right, and it was awesome.

But really, Led Zeppelin is the greatest band of all time. I'll let you off lightly because you said Rush (who are also awesome) is the world's greatest band, and I'll take that to be limited to active bands.

If you meant greatest of all time ... :duel:

We shall not spar over Led Zeppelin. Their influence on music is unmeasurable. I put the smilie on my Rush comment because many here know my zealous affinity to that band. I used them as an example of the compartmentalized time capsule that individual album releases could become.

Mrs. T and I are HUGE Zeppelin fans. There are bands out there that may claim they don't like Zeppelin, yet they directly or indirectly were influenced by them.


You'll be happy to know that MrPi is introducing Buster and Rooster to Zeppelin. They ask him to play "the viking song."


Then this may interest you:

http://www.dailydot.com/entertainment/k ... one/?fb=dd

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:58 am
by geonuc
Thumper wrote:
geonuc wrote:I'm with you on that, or most of it. There are a certain few bands that just did it right, and it was awesome.

But really, Led Zeppelin is the greatest band of all time. I'll let you off lightly because you said Rush (who are also awesome) is the world's greatest band, and I'll take that to be limited to active bands.

If you meant greatest of all time ... :duel:

We shall not spar over Led Zeppelin. Their influence on music is unmeasurable. I put the smilie on my Rush comment because many here know my zealous affinity to that band. I used them as an example of the compartmentalized time capsule that individual album releases could become.

Mrs. T and I are HUGE Zeppelin fans. There are bands out there that may claim they don't like Zeppelin, yet they directly or indirectly were influenced by them.


I'm just kidding, of course.

I wish I had seen some of these bands when I was younger and they were in their hey-day.

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:24 pm
by Thumper
geonuc wrote:
pumpkinpi wrote:
Thumper wrote:
geonuc wrote:I'm with you on that, or most of it. There are a certain few bands that just did it right, and it was awesome.

But really, Led Zeppelin is the greatest band of all time. I'll let you off lightly because you said Rush (who are also awesome) is the world's greatest band, and I'll take that to be limited to active bands.

If you meant greatest of all time ... :duel:

We shall not spar over Led Zeppelin. Their influence on music is unmeasurable. I put the smilie on my Rush comment because many here know my zealous affinity to that band. I used them as an example of the compartmentalized time capsule that individual album releases could become.

Mrs. T and I are HUGE Zeppelin fans. There are bands out there that may claim they don't like Zeppelin, yet they directly or indirectly were influenced by them.


You'll be happy to know that MrPi is introducing Buster and Rooster to Zeppelin. They ask him to play "the viking song."


Then this may interest you:

http://www.dailydot.com/entertainment/k ... one/?fb=dd
That is awesome.

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:25 pm
by Thumper
pumpkinpi wrote:
Thumper wrote:
geonuc wrote:I'm with you on that, or most of it. There are a certain few bands that just did it right, and it was awesome.

But really, Led Zeppelin is the greatest band of all time. I'll let you off lightly because you said Rush (who are also awesome) is the world's greatest band, and I'll take that to be limited to active bands.

If you meant greatest of all time ... :duel:

We shall not spar over Led Zeppelin. Their influence on music is unmeasurable. I put the smilie on my Rush comment because many here know my zealous affinity to that band. I used them as an example of the compartmentalized time capsule that individual album releases could become.

Mrs. T and I are HUGE Zeppelin fans. There are bands out there that may claim they don't like Zeppelin, yet they directly or indirectly were influenced by them.


You'll be happy to know that MrPi is introducing Buster and Rooster to Zeppelin. They ask him to play "the viking song."
That is awesome.

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:28 pm
by Thumper
geonuc wrote:
Thumper wrote:
geonuc wrote:I'm with you on that, or most of it. There are a certain few bands that just did it right, and it was awesome.

But really, Led Zeppelin is the greatest band of all time. I'll let you off lightly because you said Rush (who are also awesome) is the world's greatest band, and I'll take that to be limited to active bands.

If you meant greatest of all time ... :duel:

We shall not spar over Led Zeppelin. Their influence on music is unmeasurable. I put the smilie on my Rush comment because many here know my zealous affinity to that band. I used them as an example of the compartmentalized time capsule that individual album releases could become.

Mrs. T and I are HUGE Zeppelin fans. There are bands out there that may claim they don't like Zeppelin, yet they directly or indirectly were influenced by them.


I'm just kidding, of course.

I wish I had seen some of these bands when I was younger and they were in their hey-day.
We've seen Plant 4 times in various incarnations. Still making good music. To have actually seen Zeppelin live....the day I was ready to mail in my ticket application to see their show in Cleveland, that was the day I heard on the radio about Bonham.

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:35 pm
by Sigma_Orionis
Thumper wrote:Saw ELP on Palladia last year at some giant UK music fest. They were hilarious, Carl Palmer whipping off his shirt during his solo, what is he 65. And Emerson stabbing his keyboard with a knife then kicking it over a la early Who. Brilliant! They were quite progressive an innovative for their time. Brain Salad Surgery is one of Mrs. T's favorite albums.
"Still.......You turn me on."


Yup that sounds like ELP allright :)

So Mrs. T liked "Stil....... You turn me on." I wonder what she thinks of "KarnEvil 9" or "Toccata" :P

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:33 pm
by Thumper
Toccata--- A little hard to sing along with. :P

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:37 pm
by Thumper
KarnEvin 9, which impression? The First Impression Part 1 is about the only ELP song that gets any airplay around here.

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:25 pm
by Sigma_Orionis
Thumper wrote:Toccata--- A little hard to sing along with. :P


roll:

Thumper wrote:KarnEvin 9, which impression? The First Impression Part 1 is about the only ELP song that gets any airplay around here.


I like "KarnEvil 9 Third Impression" best :)

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 5:47 am
by squ1d
I like some Van Halen, some of it Roth era, some Hagar.

But have you seen them playing recently? David Lee Roth has completely lost it.

"It" being either his marbles, voice, sense of tone, or any of the above.

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 11:39 am
by Thumper
They played a mini set outside on Kimmel a month or so ago. Yeah, I don't think he can sing at all anymore. Also, he hit himself in the face spinning a martial arts' staff as he opened the show. They edited the delay out as he had to run to the side of the stage to get patched up. But you could see it hit his nose, especially courtesy of slow motion replay, grab his nose, look at his hand. Then they cut and you see him with a big bandage on his nose. Apparently, he went to the hospital immediately after the show and got a bunch of stitches.

Like I said, I was never a big Roth fan, but they had something going back then. Going back and listening to the first six albums brings back some great memories and the music is good. Loved when Hagar joined as I was always a big fan of his. Saw them with Roth on the Diver Down tour, Hagar on the 5150 tour. Both are still in my top 10, for a long time top 5. Saw a "reunion" type show (8 or 10 years ago?) before Eddie went completely bat $hit and kicked Hagar and Anthony out of the band for good. That show sucked. Sammy, who has been singing and performing since the '60s, is still going strong, writing, recording and performing. There was some great music with both of them and some better memories. Also, 5150 came out about the time the CD was taking over. It was one of the first 3 CD's I had. Took it around to the stereo stores as I was shopping for our first CD player.

Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 7:46 pm
by Swift
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Re: Van Halen

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 5:52 am
by SciFiFisher
^^^ This roll: