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Why do you love this guy?

You had to ask, didn't you...

Thumper wrote:You had to ask, didn't you...

Someone had to.

Despite being a naked YouTube link, I went ahead and watched part of the video before giving up in search of the backstory.

After watching several of his videos, I will change my first comment to love that video. I've felt for a long time that people who disagree with that particular protest are automatically called racist as a way to dismiss the conversation. I like to hear both sides and he made that possible.

Me? I don't care if they take a knee or not but some do and I can see their pov.

SciFi Chick wrote:Me? I don't care if they take a knee or not but some do and I can see their pov.

Wait, just looking for clarification, you can see the point of view of someone who does not believe someone else has the right to peaceful protest?

Thumper wrote:

SciFi Chick wrote:Me? I don't care if they take a knee or not but some do and I can see their pov.

Wait, just looking for clarification, you can see the point of view of someone who does not believe someone else has the right to peaceful protest?

No. I can see the point of view of someone who thinks there are better and more effective ways of protesting. I can see the point of view of someone who thinks this particular protest is a method of saying you hate the U.S. I can see the point of view of patriots who find this offensive. I can see the point of view of people that don't want politics invading sports. Doesn't mean I agree. What I can't see is that disagreeing with this protest automatically makes you racist.

I think Trump calling for them to be fired is moronic and absurd and chilling.

SciFi Chick wrote:I can see the point of view of someone who thinks this particular protest is a method of saying you hate the U.S.

I cannot.

Thumper wrote:

SciFi Chick wrote:I can see the point of view of someone who thinks this particular protest is a method of saying you hate the U.S.

I cannot.

And that's the problem.

That's from 1968.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Olym ... wer_salute

Both US athletes intended to bring black gloves to the event, but Carlos forgot his, leaving them in the Olympic Village. It was Peter Norman who suggested Carlos wear Smith's left-handed glove. For this reason, Carlos raised his left hand as opposed to his right, differing from the traditional Black Power salute.[8] When The Star-Spangled Banner played, Smith and Carlos delivered the salute with heads bowed, a gesture which became front-page news around the world. As they left the podium they were booed by the crowd.[9] Smith later said, "If I win, I am American, not a black American. But if I did something bad, then they would say I am a Negro. We are black and we are proud of being black. Black America will understand what we did tonight."[3]

SciFi Chick wrote:

Thumper wrote:

SciFi Chick wrote:I can see the point of view of someone who thinks this particular protest is a method of saying you hate the U.S.

I cannot.

And that's the problem.

What exactly is the problem with me not understanding or accepting someone else's ignorance or deliberate bias?

Thumper wrote:

SciFi Chick wrote:

Thumper wrote:

SciFi Chick wrote:I can see the point of view of someone who thinks this particular protest is a method of saying you hate the U.S.

I cannot.

And that's the problem.

What exactly is the problem with me not understanding or accepting someone else's ignorance or deliberate bias?

If you can't even comprehend a different point of view, how do you bridge the gap?

SciFi Chick wrote:

Thumper wrote:

SciFi Chick wrote:Me? I don't care if they take a knee or not but some do and I can see their pov.

Wait, just looking for clarification, you can see the point of view of someone who does not believe someone else has the right to peaceful protest?

No. I can see the point of view of someone who thinks there are better and more effective ways of protesting. I can see the point of view of someone who thinks this particular protest is a method of saying you hate the U.S. I can see the point of view of patriots who find this offensive. I can see the point of view of people that don't want politics invading sports. Doesn't mean I agree. What I can't see is that disagreeing with this protest automatically makes you racist.

I think Trump calling for them to be fired is moronic and absurd and chilling.

I agree with Thumper on the 2nd item, because it stands out from the other three. Sure, someone can think there are better and more effective ways to protest; they are entitled to that opinion. They have the right to find it offensive. They have the right to not want politics invading sports.

But if someone thinks people taking part in this protest is a method of saying they hate the U.S., they only have the right to say that if they talk to the people and confirm it. They can't have an opinion on how someone else feels.

But then again, it's true that not everyone who disagrees with this protest is racist. We can't paint any group in broad strokes.

pumpkinpi wrote:But if someone thinks people taking part in this protest is a method of saying they hate the U.S., they only have the right to say that if they talk to the people and confirm it. They can't have an opinion on how someone else feels.

Apparently, that is the crux of the matter. We live in a world where (almost) everyone can and does have an opinion. They read an article online and suddenly their opinion is just as valid as 400 years of combined expertise on any particular topic.
It used to be that we didn't get to participate in the dinner table conversation of virtually every person in the world while they pontificated on why their opinion was more valid than the person who spent an entire life time becoming an expert.

With social media and online forums we all get to have that shouting match at the dinner table. All day. Every day. Which is why sometimes the one with loudest opinion wins. They wear everyone else out. Even if their opinion is dead wrong and causes harm.