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Each of my kids has two good friends who have two moms. I love that they are likely going to grow up with that not being a big deal!

They don't have any with two dads, that I know of! I wonder if that in general is less common. When you have someone who can birth a child, it's a lot less hassle than adopting!

After THIS gem, we really didn't need to talk about 2 Dads anymore. But who's going to teach the children how to spit and fart?

pumpkinpi wrote:Each of my kids has two good friends who have two moms. I love that they are likely going to grow up with that not being a big deal!

They don't have any with two dads, that I know of! I wonder if that in general is less common. When you have someone who can birth a child, it's a lot less hassle than adopting!

I think that is definitely a factor. I don't recall when it occurred but it has not been very long that LGBT parents were allowed to adopt.

Wasn't it piecemeal, state by state for quite a while?

Yes. There are still some states that refuse to bar discrimination in adoption against same sex couples too, like Mississippi, but I guess these things take awhile to go through the courts.

I don't think you're wrong in your observation about men and women btw and the biological complications for two men wanting to adopt, not to mention the expense. I know one male couple who really wants to and are opting for being foster parents.

Thumper wrote:Wasn't it piecemeal, state by state for quite a while?

Yes. One of the frustrating things for some people is that many things don't get done on a U.S. wide Federal level until the states have mostly done the trial and error process of implementing it one by one.

I know my state went out of it's way to be discriminatory by making it a state statute that gay marriage was illegal, also went ahead and passed a state constitutional amendment to the same. (Ohio's constitution is a good 10 times longer than the US Constitution.) Then they passed a law making it illegal to recognize gay marriages from any other state.

Because, of course, that was the biggest problem plaguing the citizens of Ohio.

I remember that! I was still living there when that amendment came up, and it was by far the most strict in the Union- they also made civil unions between men and women illegal, IRC. Or some such silliness.

There was also a bill that didn't pass when I lived there where they wanted to make it illegal to teach controversial topics in universities or some such (read, evolution and that our founding fathers kept slaves etc). I was almost sad when it didn't pass because a history prof of mine at the time said if it did he'd teach a course just called "controversial topics in history," and frankly that sounded like a lot of fun.

Yeah, other states get all the headlines, but Ohio has had some doozies of ignorant, stupid, and just bad legislation.

Thumper wrote:After THIS gem, we really didn't need to talk about 2 Dads anymore. But who's going to teach the children how to spit and fart?

oh thumper. dear, sweet, naïve thumper.

(yes, just a bit late to the party. as usual.)