Ebola Outbreak

[Swift]

Thanks Rommie

[SciFiFisher]

All sounds reasonable.

Please don't mention Malaria, after having that disease licked for decades, it's making a comeback here. No need to explain why do we?

Aw geez! let me guess. People think the vaccine causes autism?

[Rommie]

All sounds reasonable.

Please don't mention Malaria, after having that disease licked for decades, it's making a comeback here. No need to explain why do we?

Aw geez! let me guess. People think the vaccine causes autism?

There is no vaccine for malaria. Just pills but you can't take them longer than a few months tops. I'm guessing it has to do w the fact that DDT is now banned.

[Sigma_Orionis]

No, it's more like the regular sweeps to curb the Mosquitos that transmit it are not being done due to our special economic situation.

[SciFi Chick]

Nurses Union speaks out.

This is seriously, seriously fucked up.

[SciFi Chick]

Also, the CDC cleared the nurse to fly.

It's almost like someone wants us to have a fucking epidemic.

[geonuc]

Also, the CDC cleared the nurse to fly.

It's almost like someone wants us to have a fucking epidemic.

I'm not sure this one is so blatant. The article says the nurse called the CDC and reported her slight elevated temperature, which was below the CDC guidelines for travel restrictions. There is no mention of whether the nurse specifically reported that she attended to the ebola patient. Perhaps she did, but the article doesn't say.

[Swift]

It's almost like someone wants us to have a fucking epidemic.

Hey, I want a fucking epidemic, that sounds great. Do you know anyone who is a carrier? What are the symptoms? Do you start with some mild kissing? I hope no one develops a vaccine against fucking.

[SciFiFisher]

It's almost like someone wants us to have a fucking epidemic.

Hey, I want a fucking epidemic, that sounds great. Do you know anyone who is a carrier? What are the symptoms? Do you start with some mild kissing? I hope no one develops a vaccine against fucking.

[SciFi Chick]

It's almost like someone wants us to have a fucking epidemic.

Hey, I want a fucking epidemic, that sounds great. Do you know anyone who is a carrier? What are the symptoms? Do you start with some mild kissing? I hope no one develops a vaccine against fucking.

Bravo.

[SciFi Chick]

Also, the CDC cleared the nurse to fly.

It's almost like someone wants us to have a fucking epidemic.

I'm not sure this one is so blatant. The article says the nurse called the CDC and reported her slight elevated temperature, which was below the CDC guidelines for travel restrictions. There is no mention of whether the nurse specifically reported that she attended to the ebola patient. Perhaps she did, but the article doesn't say.

I'm sure you're right, but I read all of those articles at the same time, and there is a whole heap of incompetence. I mean, even if the CDC is in the wrong here, I also think the nurse should have known better than to fly. I feel like, in the same way that the public is determined to panic no matter what they're told, the healthcare workers are so convinced that it's hard to contract, they aren't taking it seriously enough. Well, I should say weren't. They seem to be taking it more seriously now, as well as passing the buck around.

The Chief of Staff at the Dallas hospital should be out of a job. I don't care if he's "deeply sorry". Show me you're "deeply sorry" by fucking resigning.

[geonuc]

I mean, even if the CDC is in the wrong here, I also think the nurse should have known better than to fly.

This. I expect professionals to act professionally. If she attended the ebola patient and is in fact a nurse, she should be aware of what a rising temperature might mean. Maybe she also had it in mind that she was as yet symptomless and therefore probably not a danger to others in the near term, but if any blame is handed out here, she gets the lion's share in my mind.

I temper that sentiment with the knowledge that treating a confirmed ebola patient must surely be terrifying, and requires a certain amount of courage.

[SciFi Chick]

I mean, even if the CDC is in the wrong here, I also think the nurse should have known better than to fly.

I temper that sentiment with the knowledge that treating a confirmed ebola patient must surely be terrifying, and requires a certain amount of courage.

I know what you mean. I can imagine it being so terrifying that you go into denial over the idea of catching it. And I can only hope that she wasn't contagious because her fever wasn't high.

That said, while I"m certain it's not airborne, I am starting to wonder if it might have mutated to a point where it might be contagious before the symptoms show... strike that. It's pretty obvious healthcare workers are contracting the disease due to not wearing proper Hazmat suits.

[Swift]

http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2014/10/ebola_response_is_emotional_no.html
This is an article about a press conference given by Dr. Jennifer Hanrahan, infectious disease specialist at MetroHealth Medical Center in Cleveland. She makes several excellent points.

"I think it's understandable that people have anxiety," Hanrahan said. "But I also really want to make it clear that at this point in time there is no reason for concern. Ebola is not that easily transmissible-- you have to have direct contact with someone who is sick, or with their bodily fluids."

What does direct contact mean? Many people have asked if the virus could be picked up from a handshake after a sick person sneezed or touched their own face, or if sitting next to a person who is ill is enough to expose you to the disease.

Hanrahan said no-- it really takes close contact with bodily fluids when a person is seriously ill with the disease to contract the illness. To support this, she pointed to two pieces of evidence: that the family of Thomas Eric Duncan, the Ebola patient in Dallas who died on October 8th who Vinson cared for, hasn't fallen ill despite being in the same apartment with him at the beginning of his illness, and that there was an Ebola patient who flew from Liberia to Nigeria and didn't infect anyone on the plane he was on.

[gethen]

I have read several articles that suggest that the most likely route of infection for those nurses was during the removal of their protective gear. Apparently the removal of each item is done in a specific order. For example, if you remove your gloves first, your bare hands may come in contact with contaminated surfaces on your gown. It sounds like the nurses hadn't been properly trained in that protocol, nor did they de gown in pairs, which is required so that each can watch the other for possible breaches. Lots of other stories about improper procedure in dealing with the patient, and that falls to the CDC and the hospital IMHO.

[geonuc]

I have read several articles that suggest that the most likely route of infection for those nurses was during the removal of their protective gear. Apparently the removal of each item is done in a specific order. For example, if you remove your gloves first, your bare hands may come in contact with contaminated surfaces on your gown. It sounds like the nurses hadn't been properly trained in that protocol, nor did they de gown in pairs, which is required so that each can watch the other for possible breaches. Lots of other stories about improper procedure in dealing with the patient, and that falls to the CDC and the hospital IMHO.

I know a little something about that having worked many times in radioactive contamination areas, including areas requiring breathing equipment. The procedure for removing your protective clothing is quite strict and if you screw up, you often get contaminated. The differences between my experiences and that of people dealing with biohazards are 1) radioactive contamination won't kill you and 2) it is soon very obvious if you contaminated yourself as you are scanned by sensitive radiation detection portals upon exiting (or attempting to exit) the area.

[Rommie]

For me this whole thing just makes me wonder who the fuck is running that hospital. Sending the Ebola patient zero home in the first place is unspeakably uncoordinated, but having two nurses come down with it? WTF kind of nonexistent policies are going on there?

Makes you wonder a bit about how well infectious diseases are treated in general.

[SciFi Chick]

Makes you wonder a bit about how well infectious diseases are treated in general.

That's exactly what I was thinking. I mean, maybe we could prevent more flu deaths if they improve on their procedures.

[Cyborg Girl]

Umm, guys?

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That is exponential growth. WHO is talking about 10,000 new cases per week by December. Liberia is losing track of how many new cases there are. This is horrendous.

We're already talking about countries that are very poor and badly governed, too.

This has the potential to be catastrophic, on the same kind of scale as the Black Death. I cannot imagine what the situation might be like in western Africa a few years from now.

[cid]

It's almost like someone wants us to have a fucking epidemic.

Hey, I want a fucking epidemic, that sounds great. Do you know anyone who is a carrier? What are the symptoms? Do you start with some mild kissing? I hope no one develops a vaccine against fucking.

Bravo.

...as Swift and SFC carry on in the great language traditions of FZ...code monkey must be having a sh!t f!t... ... ... ...

[code monkey]

...as Swift and SFC carry on in the great language traditions of FZ...code monkey must be having a sh!t f!t... ... ... ...

no, cid, cm is not having a fit of any sort. she knows all of the words, how to use them and has used them. clearly you have forgotten her reaction to your rendition of the divine miss m's response to those who cannot take a joke.

she sees that you are wondering but too shy to ask why cm is so ... careful with her language. years ago, when her beloved son was approximately 2, he came stomping into the living room muttering 'damnit, damnit, damnit'. she was immediately struck by 2 thoughts. 1 - this would not go over well in nursery school. 2 - this came from her as her beloved husband did not typically speak in that fashion. she then resolved to set a better example. the habit has remained although she really would like someone to explain to her just what cursing like a sailor entails. all of the sailors (3) of her aquaintance have turned red and claimed to be as baffled as she when asked.

[geonuc]

the habit has remained although she really would like someone to explain to her just what cursing like a sailor entails. all of the sailors (3) of her aquaintance have turned red and claimed to be as baffled as she when asked.

LOL. Cursing like a sailor essentially is an exercise in seeing how many of George Carlin's seven words, and more, you can squeeze into every sentence. When I find myself dropping f-bombs into inappropriate conversations, my excuse is "Hey, I was in the navy. That's how I was trained to speak."

[code monkey]

the habit has remained although she really would like someone to explain to her just what cursing like a sailor entails. all of the sailors (3) of her aquaintance have turned red and claimed to be as baffled as she when asked.

LOL. Cursing like a sailor essentially is an exercise in seeing how many of George Carlin's seven words, and more, you can squeeze into every sentence. When I find myself dropping f-bombs into inappropriate conversations, my excuse is "Hey, I was in the navy. That's how I was trained to speak."

that's it? i'd expected something more elaborate and inspired than that. my sister, no military service whatsoever, seems to be incapable of uttering a sentence without a few of those words so, according to your definition, all i have to do is listen to her.

[geonuc]

the habit has remained although she really would like someone to explain to her just what cursing like a sailor entails. all of the sailors (3) of her aquaintance have turned red and claimed to be as baffled as she when asked.

LOL. Cursing like a sailor essentially is an exercise in seeing how many of George Carlin's seven words, and more, you can squeeze into every sentence. When I find myself dropping f-bombs into inappropriate conversations, my excuse is "Hey, I was in the navy. That's how I was trained to speak."

that's it? i'd expected something more elaborate and inspired than that. my sister, no military service whatsoever, seems to be incapable of uttering a sentence without a few of those words so, according to your definition, all i have to do is listen to her.

Maybe you expected X-rated pirate talk? No, most sailors, like most military types in general, just curse more often than your average citizen. Mind you, some of the language borders on - and flat out crosses - other lines, such as misogyny and homophobia. But that's different.

[SciFi Chick]

all of the sailors (3) of her aquaintance have turned red and claimed to be as baffled as she when asked.

I can't tell you what other sailors curse like, but I can tell you that my recent sailing experience made my colorful language... more colorful. It all depends on the weather and the state of your boat.