This is why "atheists" have a problem

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This is why "atheists" have a problem

Postby Cyborg Girl » Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:05 pm

I've been seeing violent bigotry, from certain groups of online atheists, for a while now. Not just Dawkins-style casual sexism, but full apologies for European colonialism, and defense of patriarchy and white supremacy as inherently "rational".

I'd figured this was isolated idiots. Sad to say, it seems now to be part of a larger trend.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/barrierbre ... for-trump/

... and makes me feel sadly correct about my unwillingness to call myself "atheist" these days.

(Read the comments too. Most of them are quite informative, in a horrifying way.)

What happened here, though? I thought the core idea was that disbelief in gods does not entail disbelief in morality and justice. That we can do the right thing because it's right, without fearing punishment by an Invisible Sky Father. That reason and compassion needn't be opposed.

And now we have these clowns throwing out morality and justice too, for not being "rational." Embracing the exact stereotype of the Evil Nazi Atheist. Thanks a lot, you idiots. We could have made the world better, we could have made the world a place worth living in, and you wrecked it all because... because who the fuck even knows why. What kind of zealotry drives a person to throw out fairness because it's "irrational"? What kind of sickness drives one to vaunt white supremacy as the height of rational thought?

All this time, we were trying to prove that we can be human beings, that people don't have to distrust us. That we're not monsters.

And now, you gleefully act like a bunch of monsters, and break all the trust we've built. Oh, and try to get a raging bigot elected. A raging religious bigot, who promises to destroy the religious tolerance in this country that you and I owe our lives to.

You are going to destroy us, and all our progress, on the altar of your zealotry. Just like good old religious fanatics.

Thanks a whole fucking lot.

... And yeah, I'll just call myself nonreligious, or something. Though at this point, the biggest item of faith I've lost is my faith in humanity.
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Re: This is why "atheists" have a problem

Postby Sigma_Orionis » Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:33 pm

Ideology: Faith for Atheists.
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Re: This is why "atheists" have a problem

Postby SciFiFisher » Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:34 pm

There is always Dyslexic Agnostic. They seem to be a pretty peaceful group. :P
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Re: This is why "atheists" have a problem

Postby Swift » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:43 pm

Militant agnostic - I don't know and you don't either!

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Re: This is why "atheists" have a problem

Postby SciFiFisher » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:19 pm

Swift wrote:Militant agnostic - I don't know and you don't either!



Radical Islamic: Yes We Do! And we are willing to kill you to prove it!

Hardcore Christian: Yes We Do! You Just Lack Faith. (We might be willing to kill you to prove it. Do you have a large treasure hanging around to inspire us? Perhaps a holy relic or two?)

Rastafarian: Yes We Do! You just need to smoke some of this Jamaican Gold Bud and you will too!

Jewish Rabbi: We Might! Come over for lox and bagels and we can discuss it. Seriously, we mean it.

Taoist: We Know A Secret. But, you have to travel the road the knowledge on your own.

Buddhist: Have you tried meditation? Frankly, I think you are too worried about the name of the thing. The thing is. Who cares what the name is?
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Re: This is why "atheists" have a problem

Postby pumpkinpi » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:25 pm

This was in my inbox at work today--based on research done here.

http://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-events/atheists-remain-most-disliked-religious-minority-us
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Re: This is why "atheists" have a problem

Postby geonuc » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:58 pm

pumpkinpi wrote:This was in my inbox at work today--based on research done here.

http://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-events/atheists-remain-most-disliked-religious-minority-us

27% of Americans say that atheists “don't share my morals or values


As an atheist, I'm pretty sure I don't share anything close to the morals and values of a whole lot of religious people.
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Re: This is why "atheists" have a problem

Postby SciFi Chick » Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:53 pm

geonuc wrote:
pumpkinpi wrote:This was in my inbox at work today--based on research done here.

http://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-events/atheists-remain-most-disliked-religious-minority-us

27% of Americans say that atheists “don't share my morals or values


As an atheist, I'm pretty sure I don't share anything close to the morals and values of a whole lot of religious people.


Which is something to take pride in. I met a few atheists, in my travels as a Christian, and what really stood out to me was their ethics. They were the nicest people I'd ever met. They were also happier than all the Christians I knew. It's one of the things that started me on the road to questioning my religious beliefs. The strident atheists that show up in the news are rare, from what I can tell.
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Re: This is why "atheists" have a problem

Postby vendic » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:11 am

What stood out to me was the title, "Atheists remain most disliked religious minority in the U.S."

So atheists are a "religious" minority? wtf

Anyway, I like most atheists. They are very Godly. Religions need to be modeled on the better examples of them. lol
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