The existing body of literature and legal precedent on the Second Amendment is much like the Bible: One can find something to support nearly any agenda. Even the Founders themselves wrote many different things at different times (with commas in different places) about what they meant by a Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Or by “well regulated.” Or by “militia.” I wish more people would actually read those writings.
Rommie wrote:I mean, present company excluded I really usually don't think much about people's comments on the Internet as a good way to gauge any sort of opinion, and don't understand why others present it as such.
cid wrote:I have always thought that the "well regulated" phrase in the Second Amendment referred not to controls on use, but to equipment thereof. IIRC, back in the days of the Founding Fathers, the concept of 'regulation' defined itself more with a certain level of common equipment -- the group was 'regulated' by everyone having to have a minimum level of personally supplied and specific gear (a rifle of caliber X, so much powder/shot for Y number of reloads, a knife, camping gear, etc etc etc). The common definition of "regulated" seems to have changed to "controlled" sometime between the writing of the Second Amendment and maybe the late 19th century.
Am I wrong in my interpretations on this etymology?
Your thoughts eagerly awaited.
FZR1KG wrote:Hey, I found a site that agrees with me about the dumb golden rules of firearm safety: What's wrong with the golden rules
While it doesn't cover everything it does explain the basic problems with the way firearms safety is taught and naturally how it's applied in practice.
geonuc wrote:FZR1KG wrote:Hey, I found a site that agrees with me about the dumb golden rules of firearm safety: What's wrong with the golden rules
While it doesn't cover everything it does explain the basic problems with the way firearms safety is taught and naturally how it's applied in practice.
To each his own, I guess, but I don't agree. The guy is just taking issue with sematics and literalism. So the NRA uses the word 'always'. I don't think anyone with half a brain thinks that means you can't clean your gun. Both sets of rules he trashes are pretty good, although I don't like the Cooper rules use of the word 'cover', which is just jargon. His rules are the same as everyone else's, just expressed differently.
SciFi Chick wrote:You don't know how many people I've run into lately, who think if they follow those rules, they will be completely safe. They don't know how to use their brains, and there are a lot of them. I don't think it's really a case of semantics. Especially when you have people thinking that they are completely safe and nothing bad can happen if they follow these rules. Guns are dangerous. Using guns means taking risks, and I don't think everyone realizes that those risks can't be eliminated; they can only be minimized.
FZR1KG wrote:One huge oversight here that astounds me for its stupidity is that there is no law for minimum acreage or distance to housing/public roads when discharging a firearm apart from designated areas such as cities.
Our neighbour for example regularly fires off high caliber weapons from his back yard, which has less acreage than our property which is 2.5 acres.
Seriously?
Firing rounds that can travel over a mile when you have less than 100 yards to your property line is mind blowingly stupid and irresponsible, but totally legal here.
(1) Every person commits an offence
(a) who intentionally discharges a firearm into or at a place, knowing that or being reckless as to whether another person is present in the place; or
(b) who intentionally discharges a firearm while being reckless as to the life or safety of another person.
[...]
(3) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1) is guilty of an indictable offence and
(a) if a restricted firearm or prohibited firearm is used in the commission of the offence or if the offence is committed for the benefit of, at the direction of or in association with a criminal organization, is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 14 years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of
(i) five years, in the case of a first offence, and
(ii) seven years, in the case of a second or subsequent offence; and
(b) in any other case, is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 14 years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of four years.
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